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[so_many_pockets]

She is not a what, and her ability might be the result of the accident, but she is not. We are all people, not products.

I do not think there is a clear difference. Accident before or no, she was taken by SHIELD as a young girl, forced into this type of life, isolated, experimented on, hurt, manipulated, used.

[counterstep]

I never called her an accident
I also said I was not diminishing her experiences
if you think I'm saying any of that, you're the one projecting that on to me

stop putting words in my mouth
I don't appreciate it

[so_many_pockets]

You said she became WHAT she has because of the accident, and you said 'we are not products of an accident' which directly implies that she is.
And saying you are not diminishing someone's experiences does not mean you are not.
If you take the accident out of her story, and the other widows in the red room out of mine, our childhoods are nearly note for note for a lot of it.

[counterstep]

I feel you're intentionally misrepresenting what I'm saying to create conflict, and I'm not interested in a one-sided conversation where you forcibly define me as someone I'm clearly not.

when you're ready to discuss things without presuming the worst or arguing in bad faith, then we can speak. until then, I'm done with this conversation.

[so_many_pockets]

Okay, well, I feel like you are failing to recognize the impact of your choice of words and that you are, unintentionally, discounting her experiences. Maybe you do not know many of the details, I don't know, but her story is much more similar to ours than it is different. I do not think it is unreasonable of me to be upset when people describe us, any of us, as products, no matter how well-meaning or neutral it may be intended. I agree, at least, that this conversation is best over.